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 PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:01 am Reply with quote  
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  Robert Davidson

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I don’t have much idea or knowledge about all these stuff but when I read this in forums, I thought to read more about this because it is interesting and good. I have opened Google and searched then I come to know what this is. Friends if I told something wrong then correct me but I’m very much interested to know about all this stuff.

To a greater extent, If people loosing their traffic on Google it because they are noticed to be selling paid links. On the other hand Google does generally never make someone to pay for selling link. If marked, in most of the cases all Google’s would do is prevent links from the sites or pages in a site from passing Page Rank. At present id changing, if u s3ell links, Google might certainly penalize your site addition with drop the page rank score that shows for it.
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 PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:34 pm Reply with quote  
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  siteadmin
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I agree with nicky google has strong ways to detect paid links. Paid links are one of the important search engine spam. If done over a limit will spoil the whole way how internet works.

I still wonder how many sites got really affected but it does look lot of sites might have got banned.
Google's view on paid links,
 PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:46 pm Reply with quote  
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  siteadmin
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This great blog post has a huge discussion on paid links. Matt cutts google's senior quality engineer clearly points out that he doesn't like text link advertising done solely for the purpose of increasing link popularity.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/

We can see both side of the arguments here

this post is interesting how the poster tries to defend the paid link side. please read that post to see some interesting conversations

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So, first Google creates some sort of arbitrary site ranking system that is heavily based on backlinks.

Then it gets outraged that people start selling links to get better PR because Google has told us this arbitrary measurement will impact how sites are ranked in the SERPs.

Can anyone who came up with the original idea of PR, honestly say this wasn’t a predictable result?

Google has turned PR into a commodity and now decides that they don’t like that people are making money. Too late guys, that genie’s out of the bottle. A link to a site with a No-follow is a red flag to me that the link is not really honored by the site displaying it. It’s like saying, I’m putting this link because I have to, not because I believe in the site.

I believe that many paid links are nothing more than traditional advertising like has been done since the first newspaper was ever printed. How exactly does a site visitor know exactly what transpired for link placement and whether or not it is paid for? A website owner has every right to sell advertising on their site, just like every printed magazine, newspaper and even book does. Product placement has made millions for the movie industry by simply showing an actor using a particular product. Does a movie about WWII have any connection to Coca-Cola? Were the movie a website, would they need to be reported as a spammy site for having an advertisement for Coke?

There is a big difference between someone paying for a relevant link in a directory category or blog article and those who paid for placement sitewide on unrelated sites (regardless of the PR of the page the link appears on). I can only hope that this “spam reporting” of sites that accept/purchase paid links is targeting the obvious abuses of this rather than those that are simply part of doing business on the web. Why shouldn’t webmasters sell their website’s page space?

Should a high PR site on pets sell a sitewide link to a site selling umbrellas? Not really. If that’s the type of things Google is looking to make some changes in the algorithm to combat - I say go get ‘em. If Google is looking to end the ability for site owners to sell links on their pages - Google is being hypocritical and the entire page rank concept should simply be disbanded.

I agree with another poster that there needs to be some way to get true authority sites, like government and manufacturer’s higher in the SERPs. I am so tired of having to wade through all the hotel, city information, and other generic (and I have no doubt, highly profitable for Google) websites that ultimately have nothing of value about that small town of 500 I am looking to find information about. How can a generic city site be a more authority site than the town’s own government page or their Chamber of Commerce? Are we expected to believe that if site owners make the paid links to the bigger websites No-Follow that this will change? Or is this simply a way to go after the little guys selling advertising on their websites while those with huge budgets continue business as usual?

The fact that the reporting is to be done through the spam reporting section of Google is why so many are seeing this as leading to sites being somehow penalized. Again, how could the folks that make these decisions at Google, fail to see how many webmasters would interpret this placement?

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  Natasha

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siteadmin wrote:
I agree with nicky google has strong ways to detect paid links. Paid links are one of the important search engine spam. If done over a limit will spoil the whole way how internet works.

I still wonder how many sites got really affected but it does look lot of sites might have got banned.



May be you are right.. but i think google isnt against buying links, Google is trying to put fear in people because if you notice they are now offering text links as well, so if everyone is afraid to do it, advertisers have to go directly to the google for the text links...
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  Natasha

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On the other hand, I think it will be impossible to know which website is selling links unless you say that in the website.
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  Nickysemilo

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Natasha wrote:
On the other hand, I think it will be impossible to know which website is selling links unless you say that in the website.



Heres a site that sells links linkwith.us... it is not impossible to pick up those sites that are selling links...
 PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:14 am Reply with quote  
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  niran_amarnath

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So does it become illegal to backlinks? What about Yahoo & MSN?
 PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:37 am Reply with quote  
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  siteadmin
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Backlinks are not illegal but doing something which manipulates the search results by a large way and avoid mom and pop sites never to proper is hurting for search engines.

MSN and Yahoo have the same policies but we worry more about google since google has 75% market share around the world.

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On the other hand, I think it will be impossible to know which website is selling links unless you say that in the website.


Mattcutts has openly asked people to complain websites that buy / sell links. I am sure all competitors are rushing to complain about their competition buying links. I am sure its not a difficult idea for google to identify potential sites that sell links. I have seen a strong reduction in link selling these days mostly due to google's aggressive stance,

Also remember a leading link selling / brokering company text-link-ads was banned in google. This shows google is not going to go easy with text link brokers too
 PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:34 am Reply with quote  
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  Garry

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I've heard that google has penalized some sites for using paid links -- still these links are constructed manually only and not using a script or any sort of special code. How is it possible? Or does google do it manually? Or someone cynical reports it to google?
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  Nickysemilo

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Garry wrote:
I've heard that google has penalized some sites for using paid links -- still these links are constructed manually only and not using a script or any sort of special code. How is it possible? Or does google do it manually? Or someone cynical reports it to google?


Welcome to the fourms garry and it is not a big deal for the big G.. They looks for lists of outgoing urls with "sponsored links" as a heading or text that says "buy a link here" etc.. lot of other way also might be used...

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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:40 am Reply with quote  
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  Natasha

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What about Google ads? they are by definition called "paid links" but they just name it advertising... Very Happy
 PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:56 am Reply with quote  
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  Steve

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Personally, I think that Google has a lot of balls dictating how people could actually conduct business and help their own sites. Links == advertising. Just because Google counts those links doesn't mean people should not be conducting their advertising campaigns. In any case, Links are still, and always will be a big business and isn't going away. I don't think there is much of an issue with it.
 PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:48 am Reply with quote  
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  siteadmin
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Hello Steve,

Google's core algorithm is built around pagerank which totally depends on links to rank a website. I am on google's side on this one if people start manipulating results by paid links how can the smaller sites survive. Even if they have quality information still since search engines depend too much on links the resulting sites will not rank. SO its important Google has a strong stance on links,

Did you read the new google guideline on paid links [url] http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66736 here[/url] it states

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Google and most other search engines use links to determine reputation. A site's ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites that link to it. Link-based analysis is an extremely useful way of measuring a site's value, and has greatly improved the quality of web search. Both the quantity and, more importantly, the quality of links count towards this rating.

However, some SEOs and webmasters engage in the practice of buying and selling links that pass PageRank, disregarding the quality of the links, the sources, and the long-term impact it will have on their sites. Buying or selling links that pass PageRank is in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines and can negatively impact a site's ranking in search results.

Not all paid links violate our guidelines. Buying and selling links is a normal part of the economy of the web when done for advertising purposes, and not for manipulation of search results. Links purchased for advertising should be designated as such. This can be done in several ways, such as:

Adding a rel="nofollow" attribute to the <a> tag
Redirecting the links to an intermediate page that is blocked from search engines with a robots.txt file
Google works hard to ensure that it fully discounts links intended to manipulate search engine results, such excessive link exchanges and purchased links that pass PageRank. If you see a site that is buying or selling links that pass PageRank, let us know.We'll use your information to improve our algorithmic detection of such links.

What is the general opinion for buying access to web sites?
 PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:16 am Reply with quote  
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  Angelica

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What is the general opinion for buying, selling access to web sites ! buying text link is good or bad?
 PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:05 am Reply with quote  
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  Steve

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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I would still say, if you are to buy a link, jst buy it for advertising, traffic, etc. Take care the site you buy from has value on its own and has a reason for linking to you. Smile
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