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No short cut to Dmoz Heaven, Patience and determination Pays.

Dmoz the Mother of all directories is the only directory in the whole internet that is regarded as a favorite by all top Search Engines. For Google sites in Dmoz get a small level of positive score since all the sites accepted in Dmoz are hand picked and reviewed under strict conditions by Dmoz editors.
I have seen this when Dmoz had a official forum named Resource-zone people used to whine and complain that their submission is not accepted. Also people just bash Dmoz in various forums and message boards for giving credit to some sites and accused of Dmoz editors of even taking bribes to get listed sites listed in corresponding category.
From my past experience with getting sites listed in Dmoz I tell you there is no short cut to a listing in Dmoz, also dmoz is the most genuine directory out there and the corruption rate from my analysis and experience is some where around 0.0001%. That is equal to one out of 10,000 Dmoz editors are corrupted. If you see as per the Dmoz blog at any given time there are around 7000 active Dmoz editors. With a corruption rate of 1 out of 10,000 editors I am sure there are no corrupt or cheating editors for dmoz. If you think Dmoz has not accepted your submission stop whining about it and see what are the areas you have problems with your website. Remember today you come to internet and tomorrow you want your site getting listed is not with Dmoz there are more than 1000 cheap zero value directories out there who will list you for nothing ( fact they are good for nothing directories ) . Dmoz likes good quality sites to be listed no Dmoz editor is against listing any site as long it satisfies their quality guidelines.
Dmoz remains to be most comprehensive directory on the web only directory that is anywhere near to it is the Yahoo directory. But still yahoo directory is not the best directory you can come across since its paid. You pay 299$ for review of your site and most of the sites pass through this review but with Dmoz this is not the case you can never buy a listing in Dmoz.
Dmoz is not run for listing all commercial websites. Dmoz is here to provide best value to its visitors. Dmoz editors don’t just rely on site submission for entry into Dmoz. Most of the editors are Web Savvy and they score the Internet in search of quality websites and quality articles to list them in their category. In fact some of my previous discussions with some Meta Editors revealed there will be atleast 30% of articles / news / websites / other stuff listed in Dmoz are through Scanning the internet.
So let me get you a checklist on what it takes to get into Dmoz.
- First and the most important point is Dmoz Quality guidelines make sure your site doesn’t violate it. If it does there is no point in even submitting the site to dmoz since it will never be accepted. Some of the guidelines. Duplicate sites – Sites that has mirrors or duplicates and has an exact copy currently running your site cannot get into Dmoz
Affiliate sites – A site fill with affiliate links and affiliate information will not be accepted into Dmoz. There is no exception for this make sure your site is not a MFA ( Made For Adsense ) or affiliate site.
Status of Website: Make sure your site is current and that its fully completed an incomplete site when reviewed by a editor will mostly be rejected or will be put in backlog. Its very important that you impress the editor by the first look if the site has pages which says under construction or broken links or incomplete information I am sure your site will never be listed.
Multi level marketing related websites, Affiliate reseller sites, sites that use cloaking, sites that promote illegal stuff like child pornography, Bootlegs, Warez, pirated software etc are not included in Dmoz - Contact Information: Most of the editors see this as a important factor for site credibility most of the time a site without proper verifiable contact information is rejected. Make sure you have the current contact information and that its legitimately visible on the page. It can either be on a contact page or other pages you prefer make sure it is easily accessible when a editor reviews your site.
- Value for users: See how much value your site will provide for users Dmoz as I said is here to provide best value for users they are not here to list your site which has 50,000 products selling actively online. Say the same site has community areas like forums, reviews etc then your site has more chance of getting listed in Dmoz.
- Find the right category: This is a very important factor most of time a listing is delayed or rejected if its submitted to the wrong category. Remember Dmoz editors are not paid almost all of them except a top few are all doing work as a volunteer service so make sure you don’t trouble them too much. Take time to research be best category. Say suppose you are a Car Dealer in California. Go to Dmoz and type in Car dealer California http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=car+dealers+california , you will see a lot of sites showing up which are related to the query you submitted. Now just take time and go through some of the categories which showed up for the Search. This particular search is complicated since the categories that came of are too vague. Here are some of the topics that came up.
Regional: North America: United States: California: Regions: Northern California: Business and Economy Regional: North America: United States: California: Counties: San Joaquin: Business and Economy
Business: Automotive: Recreational Vehicles: Retailers: North America: United States: CaliforniaAbove I picked some categories which showed up which looked relevant. Now by look we can eliminate California/counties/san Joaquin since is more specific to a city and you are selling whole of California. Next I can also eliminate Northern California since again you are selling whole of California. So mostly the ideal topic is Retailers/North America/United states/ California. So are you convinced that you can submit here. STOP: Don’t do it yet since there might be other categories which never showed up search which can be relevant to your website. So I recommend now going through the regular way, Just click the categories and browse and see if you can find any other category that is relevant to your site if you are convinced that there cannot be any more category relevant to your website then proceed to submission.
- Submission Guidelines: Make sure you have a well written title tag and a good descriptive description tag. Always avoid the idea of a optimized title tag. There is nothing like that for Dmoz. Most of the time best title will be your company name itself. For example if your company is California Auto Dealers Inc then that will be the best title for your website. When it comes to writing description make sure you don’t read it like a advertisement, don’t stuff your keywords in it don’t repeat your title, prices etc. Best description will be something which doesn’t fall into any of the categories that is pointed out here in Dmoz submission guidelines. http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html
- Multiple listings: Sometimes Multiple listings are allowed for example you can submit your site if you eligible for the main category as well as your regional sub category. This is rare research before you do this.
- Patience: After you submit your site please wait. Wait for atleast a year before any sort of panic there could be 1000 behind the scene reasons for your site not listed. If your site is not listed find out whether you have anything that violate Dmoz guidelines if you find anything just fix it and keep waiting. Don’t go an resubmit all resubmissions will make your existing submission being pushed to the bottom of the website backlog. If the category you submitted has 100s of websites waiting then your wait time will be longer best option is to be patient and wait.
- Finally stop talking bad about Dmoz or bashing them in forums this is one of the most important thing they see. Dmoz editors are some of the most active members of internet and they will find you regardless of which forum or message board you are bashing them. Stop false accusations against Dmoz they are the best out there. Just for the sake of backlinks don’t ever try anything like shoemoney did here (shoemoney.com/2007/08/26/dmoz-extortion/ ) . Your site will never get into Dmoz for atleast the next 100 years.
- P.S: See if your site really qualifies to be listed in Dmoz. If your site is listed in Dmoz does it add atleast a small value to dmoz. I will personally see that before submitting to Dmoz if you are new to internet and just build a site take time for the site to grow make it best for your users work atleast 6 months on the site. Once you feel you are good enough submit to Dmoz this increases the chance of acceptance into Dmoz more easily.
Lets all make Dmoz a better place to be.
Some Good resources : http://blog.dmoz.org
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/Search Engine Genie.
Does clickthrough from Google affect search rankings
In My humble opinion Yes Google does track clickthroughs and NO – Google does not use it for ranking purposes.
Take this scenario just taking traffic log of our site we get about 3 to 4 million hits a month and its so difficult to go through just a month of data for a single site. Google is handling billions of queries a day and they need to billions of information per day. This will result in a lot of clickthrough data which will be very very difficult to sort out. Also if Google allows clickthrough data for favour in search engine results then anyone can have a automated bot that will open a search engine results page and generate 1000s of clicks. Or better then can even a hire a group of people and make them click their search results day and night.
Google also has the Toolbar which has been installed in millions of systems. They can actually track the presence of visitors on a site. Say you generate a million clicks but those clicks never results in strong presence on your site then it will send a red alert to google that the users don’t like after click through on what they see on that site. Google definitely have the capability to do this and most probably this might play a small factor in Search engine rankings though I feel this will be a very small factor.
Also one possibility with all the click through data they collect they can put that to a system where it will analyze the clickthrough / real presence on website resulting from clickthrough/ position of sites that were there on a particular SERPs. etc put that to some algorthmic analysis and come out with a data Good enough for their users. This is definitely possible since Google want’s to send their visitors to the best results and most relevant sites.
One area where I see Google might definitely see the popularity of a page as well as clickthrough data is the sitelinks. We have over 75 links going out from the homepage but Google selected a sitelink that is not in the homepage itself but is linked from a inner page. We know that page is very popular since its a rank checker tool and many people had linked to it.
SEO Blog Team,
Catching a bee in a forest full of bees – Unpredictable Search engines.
Before say some 6 years search engines had so less spam to fight against. People are not aware of innovative ideas to spam the search engines all they know is FFA ( Free for all links ) , Keyword stuffing , Hidden keywords / links, html content keyword stuffing ( abusing the loop holes in html to stuff keywords ) . automated link exchanges, comment spamming , cloaking / content delivery etc. At that time since the search engine algorithms were not so complicated all these tactics worked. All these are not anywhere near to working in Search engines any more. All these loop holes were closed but still people spam the search engines
Lets see some 3 year back techniques which are against search engine guidelines.
- Blog Spamming: Spamming blog with comment spam most targeted sites were big University sites like Stanford.edu where they allowed people to post comment for their articles or news section
- Aggressive / Automated Link exchanges: Aggressive Link exchanges were still working but not to the level it used to work around 2002 or 2003. Automated link exchanges became a huge industry and people were using very aggressive link exchanges to gain a upper hand in backlinks
- Forum spamming: Spamming forums through signature links , links in their posts, links through automated forum spam etc. This was a very popular tactics where people just visit forums to have their links in signature or in their post to gain search engine benefit.
- Cross-linking: A major search engine spam where a spammer starts 100s of sites and cross link them to get link benefit in search engines.
- Dmoz clones: Huge number of dmoz clones started arising and became people since it can generate 100s of 1000s of pages instantly for search engines.
- Directory spam huge number directories started coming out with zero value to visitors built just for search engine benefit
- Links from lots of blogs. This was something which came into existing in 2004 but still in existence to a certain extent.
- Links and contents hidden on page, behind images, in noscript tag, in hidden contents etc.
- Spamming wikipedia by inserting links ( Nofollow was introduced mostly for wikipedia ) .
- Text link ads: Buying your way to the top of search engine organic rankings. Buying text links and gaining search engine benefit due to the search engines dependency on backlinks and anchor text power to rank a website.
If I list it out I can keep on listing lots of things people used for spamming the search engines. But if you today most of the above tactics dont work anymore with search engines. Search engine like Google has closed its algorithm for these sort of loop holes. I can tell you with some sort of background with search algorithms. Just to close the above 8 tactics they need to implement 30 different factors. Its not that easy to detect a spam without hurting millions of websites out there who might have something similar to it but is not considered spam.
To combat these problems search engines role our algorithmic changes very carefully after a lot of testing so that it doesn’t affect any search rankings of innocent webmasters who never did anything against search engine guidelines. At this point I can imagine atleast 150 factors playing into ranking competitive keywords in Google.
Lets see what’s the 2007/2008 search engine spam tactic
Social bookmarking which has picked up so much these days has been a target of search engine spamming for sometime now. People want to bookmark only interesting pages but now everyone bookmarks everything. This is done mostly for search engine benefit. Search engines love sites like delicious or Digg and they tend to crawl links from these sites better. So people tend to target these sites.
Search Engine Spamming in the name of link baiting, Link baiting a very commonly used word these days has been a subject of abuse. People imagining to be creative use some really aggressive methods on their sites to gain natural backlinks. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t . Bad PR ( public relations ) is a main problem here. People tend to write crap about others or about other sites so that they can gain the sympathy of the other party. This is definitely not the healthy way for gaining back links.
Pay per post , pay for blogging – an other tactic which was subject to spamming . Now people are buying posts in blogs. They make good bloggers write about their site and provide a back link to them. Most of the time this is just like a paid text link advertisement.
Adding a page on a established site about your site with anchor text backlinks
Reviews on established blogs are similar to Pay per post where you pay a blogger to review your site and link back in return for Money.
1$ articles – This is a very difficult to combat spam where advertisers are paying 1$ for articles which are of very low quality and stuff their site with junk information to show search engines that they have contents.
This is just a small list of new ideas to spam search engines. I can go on to list more so we cannot blame the search engines in anyway for doing something like this.
One wonderful thing is the death of Anchor Text link advertising in 2007/2008. I am personally Happy about it. It makes the rich and famous dominate Search Results. Its not anymore the case. Search Engines dont see text link advertising as a search engine friendly one and are ready to impose strong penalties for sites that buy or sell links. Though Search engines like Google like to fight search engine spamming algorithmically I am sure some manual review especially on paid links or renting links will bring more success and quality to the index.
Considering all these new tactics coming up I am sure in future Search Engine Optimization is going to be one of the hardest industry to work on. Saying that if there are no innovating ideas to get a site ranked I am sure search engine quality engineers will go Jobless. So let us keep them working harder to fight search engine spamming algorithmically.
Search Engine Genie.
Best ideas for attracting back links – Any thoughts?
1. SEO tools: We have one of the best and long list of SEO tools around. We provide everything totally free. We did pick some good links but not enough to compete in a very competitive industry like this. We are launching 10 more new tools in couple of months lets see if we can get some attention there.
2. Blog: We have some active blogs and they do gain some attention but not good enough to gain maximum backlinks.
3. Articles: Rarely works these days though we have some good ones they just bring in a handful of links not the amount of links we are looking at.
4. SEO comics: We just introduced a new comics section to attract links its working but gaining little attention not the way we would like it to perform.
5. Transcripting: We have planned to do a lot of transcripting of videos of various search engine experts and SEOs. We are expecting attention to this definitely. we already did the webmaster live chat transcript and in process of completing some search engine expert’s transcripts which will be live soon. Should be a mild hit definitely.
6. Introduced Search engine expert directory where we give free listings for all search engine experts around the world. We charge only for active links back to their site. Still not yet given full attention but it should be a hit pretty soon.
We are currently working on various other ways to attract people to link to us. Some of them cannot be discussed since our competitors are watching us. Already we tag some important pages to bookmark sites, but Search Engine related information are not the type of hit people are looking for. Its very hard to make people link to us next I think I need to do something really crazy
Are you in wikipedia’s spam blacklist,
Do you have your site in wikipedia’s blacklist then I recommend get it removed immediately. Personally we don’t know any of our sites or client sites in wikipedia blacklist.
meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist
Wikipedia has a strong relationship with Search engines, Wikipedia does share this information to Search engines and it will result in your site loosing credibility with search engines.
Mattcutts of Google denies any automated penalty
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If you do a search for [wikipedia spam blacklist], the first result is helpful. It gives pointers to various strings and urls that Wikipedia has blacklisted on their site.
I’d characterize that list as much like a spam report: the data can be useful, but at least in Google it wouldn’t automatically result in a penalty (for the reason that site A might be trying to hurt site B).
That could be one of the things jehochman was referring to.”
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/wikipedia-spam-resulting-in-google-yahoo-penalties/5854/
Even if matt denies he does say its kind of like a spam report so I recommend staying out of the list always,
Yahoo team’s up with you vlingo for Mobile voice search
Mobile voice search is about to be introduced in Yahoo where a user can search for information using him Mobile phone just by using his voice.
According to Marco Boerries, an executive vice president for Vlingo said people using BlackBerry Curves, Pearls or the 8800 series can use their voice over the phone to search the web. Yahoo’s Mobile search engine is called Onesearch and has been in Industry for a while.
As per expert’s reviews Vlingo’s voice recognition is the best of its kind in industry. Though Still it has no where reached a level comparing with real human voice still its competiting strongly.
SEO Tools blocked by Google – Google blogs online tools temporarily
Recently we have seen a surge of google blocking online tools to check pagerank or positioning or other stuff in search engines. We have a bunch of tools here http://www.searchenginegenie.com/seo-tools.htm. We query Google for many of those tools like pagerank checker, sanbox checker, IP checker, backlink checker, future pagerank checker etc. At this moment Google is preventing many online tools from quering their database. We are having trouble with our tools too. But we have seen this happen before its mostly temporary and we are expecting it to get fixed soon,
Update: Tools are working perfectly fine Google has released the block on online tools.
Search Engines love webmasters and siteowners
I am seriously surprised how the trend has changed from completely ignoring what people shout about their sites to a full customer care by all the search engines. I belong to one of the old member group of webmasterworld and before about 3 years search engines rarely care about a webmaster or site owner’s cries. People used to shout, cry and express their pain in forums like webmasterworld and i help you but no search engine employee gave their ears on looking into their problems.
But now its a total different world I would say. Looking at the prompt responses people get from search quality engineers about their site problems it makes me seriously amazed.
For Google we have mattcutts blog, webmaster central blog, adwords rep in webmasterworld forum , John Muller participating in forums, Mattcutts goes around in webmaster / SEO blogs and responds to any specific problems or concerns ( ofcourse his blog is great ) , we have Google Groups where many employees like John Muller, Jonathan simon, Adam Lasnik, Susan, Mariya etc hangout, Most of the google experts are always around when a webmaster is serious about their problems,
Back in 2003 we just had one ghost like representative from Google named GoogleGuy in webmasterworld who comes around and asks for feedback. If there is some update to their algorithm or search index occasionally he will respond with a lot of ambiguity. His answers are like answers from the Google god itself and his posts are followed so much. People just come to webmaster world to search for his posts. Till today 95% or more webmasterworld active members don’t know who the real person with the nickname Googleguy is. Many suspect Googleguy is Mattcutts but he denied to be the original Googleguy. But today things have changed we now have Google employees answering questions all over the place. They recently hosted a webmaster live chat session first of its kind which was a success attended by more than 250 people.
For yahoo it used to be Tim Mayer nick named Yahoo Tim he just comes around and gives a weather update ( Yahoo’s index update ) or answers some rare questions but now they have a wonderful place for webmasters to seek help.
http://suggestions.yahoo.com/?prop=SiteExplorer
This place gives much better support than what Google does. I rarely see a question that is not reviewed by a yahoo site explorer employee. That is a very positive sign and a huge step forward in bringing webmasters/White hat SEOs and site owners closer. Its great that Yahoo a search engine which used to be very reluctant to help webmasters now have a place where they provide instant solution for Site owner’s problems.
MSN it used to be MSN dude he started from the day MSN separated from Yahoo to become an independent Search Engine. He comes for some feedback but never used to be regular but now even the big Microsoft has a forum for webmasters to talk about problem with their sites. When I visited this forum I can see people like Brett Hunt a Live search employee actively answering questions of site owners. This is great.
So seeing the world change so much I can just say one thing finally search engines have understood the importance of Good relationship and communication with webmasters and site owners to maintain the quality of the index. A Good communication and setting up strong guidelines help webmasters go in the right direction when it comes to ranking their sites in Search Engines.
I like to thank wholeheartedly all top Search engine Engineers for taking this bold step of helping us webmasters.
Search Engine Genie
Yahoo site explorer and .asia domains – problem still
Yahoo is still process of fixing the problem where .asia domains are not verifiable in their site explorer, A poster in yahoo site explorer suggestion board points out this problem,
“Hi,I am trying to submit my .asia domains that I have registered and I
keep getting error messages. (error 3) My new .com domains go through fine. Any
ideas or reason why I cannot get my .asia domains entered for a crawl?”
Yahoo! Site Explorer employee Tim has replied asking for the URLs,
Please let us know your site URL or your y_key contents and we’ll be happy
to investigate.
suggestions.yahoo.com/?prop=SiteExplorer
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